Wednesday, August 25, 2010

daniel 12:7 adn preterism


Preterists quote Daniel 12:7 to prove that God ended His unique relationship with the nation Israel in A. D. 70 after He had finally “scattered the power of the holy people.”

Dan 12:7 … it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

1. What does “all these things” refer to? Everything in the book of Daniel? The events of Daniel 11 and 12? Only the abomination of desolation of the Temple from Daniel 11 and 12? The rule of the little horn or Daniel 7? Or only when God will finish “scattering the power of the holy people”? Does this say that God is “finished” dealing with Israel as a nation?

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

2. Daniel 12:11 ends with the persecuting power victorious and makes the setting up of the abomination of desolation the final event. Yet common sense teaches that there must be more.

Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

3. Daniel 12:12 says there is a blessing on those who survive until the end of 1335 days which is 75 days after the “finish” of the 1260 days (3 ½ times) of 12:7. Therefore the “bad” “finish” of 12:7 has changed into an “blessing” 75 days later.

Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

4. According to Preterists the general resurrection of the dead occurred in A. D. 70 at the end of the days of Daniel 12:7. If this were true there must be at least one more general resurrection from the dead of those who have died since A.D. 70.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

5. Daniel 12:7 is a brief repeat of the final events of chapter 11. The event which immediately follows the desolation of Daniel 11 is the restoration of national Israel by Michael in Daniel 12:1-2. At the end of the time of trouble Messiah will return and resurrect the righteous dead -- at that time thy people shall be delivered. In the context of the book of Daniel this refers only to national Israel but in Revelation 20:6 it refers to all saints. Thus Israel will be finally restored for the Millennial reign of Messiah on earth per Revelation 20. This will occur after the end of the 3 ½ times of Daniel 12:7.

Dan 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

6. Daniel 2:35, 44 clearly show that God will set up a literal physical kingdom ON EARTH which consumes and replaces the literal physical kingdoms of Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and Confederated Rome.

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Dan 7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter …

7. Daniel 7:25-28 parallel Daniel 12:7; both mention the 3 ½ time period. Notice the word “until.” This means that “after” the 3 ½ time period ends, Israel will be restored as a nation on earth. The “end” of 7:26 is the “finished” of 12:7. Daniel 7:27 is not a description of heaven itself and must be a literal physical kingdom on earth as in 2:35, 44. The “end of the matter” is not in 12:7 but in 7:27.

Dan 8:13 … How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed (restored).

8. In a slightly different setting Daniel 8:13-14 is the same time period of 3 ½ times as seen in 7:25 and 12:7. It is a secondary fulfillment of the events of 168-165 B. C. The 2300 evening-morning sacrifices covers almost 3 ½ years. The point here is that the time period ends with the sanctuary on earth being restored (although necessarily in the context of the New Covenant) per Jeremiah 31 and Hebrews 8.

Dan 9:18 O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies.

Dan 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

9. In Daniel 9 the prophet was concerned about the desolated and destroyed temple from 586 B. C. He reminded God that He must restore Jerusalem “for thine own sake, for thy name” because God would appear unfaithful after His many unconditional promises from Abraham to David and through the prophets. Even though God answered that there would be even more future desolations of future temples, the final outcome would be a final “anointing of the most holy place” of the Temple as seen in Daniel 8:14.

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