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Sunday, June 13, 2010

Preterism4

Chris: jesus will rapture the church at the end of the tribulation really?

Russ: No. Jesus could rapture the church at any moment. He will return again in glory at the end of the great tribulation in Revelation 19.

TO YOU: Tell me what you think happened in 70AD. Were all Christians raptured to heaven in 70AD? Was there a bodily resurrection? You are not discussing what YOU believe at all.

Chris: ephesians 3:21 unto him be glory in the church by christ jesus through out all ages world without end amen.did you see that the church age has no end.

Russ: This does not say that the church AGE will not end as a Dispensation. It merely says that the church will have glory through all ages.

Chris: why would christ in the church age makes no sense; the old coveant age the law did have and end heaven earth will pass away but my words will not.

Russ: The AGE ends as a Dispensation. The glory of the Church is eternal.

Chris: JOHN 17:15 I PRAY NOT THAT YOU TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD BUT THAT THOU SHOULDEST KEEP THEM FROM EVIL. DID JESUS LIE ?NO HE DID NOT JESUS ON WORDS HE DECLARES THAT GOD WOULD NOT TAKE US OUT OF THE WORLD.

Russ: So the church will never be taken off planet earth???? What about John 14:1-4? You are extremely confusing. I have not the foggiest idea what YOU believe. You are only arguing about where you disagree with me.

Chris: BUT HE WOULD TAKE HIS BRIDE IN AD 70 THE ELECT THE LOST SHEEP OF ISREAL AND GIVE THEM RELIF FROM THE GREAT TRIBULATION THAT OCCURED FROM 66AD TO 70AD.

Russ: Finally some meat. You think that the BRIDE only refers to Jewish Christians living in 70AD. Is that correct? Is there any evidence from the early church fathers that this happened? Were not most of the disciples dead before 70AD? Were Jewish Christians who died before 70AD bodily resurrected in 70AD?

Chris: PETER SAYS THAT THE FIERY TRAIL HAD BEGUN IN THERE LIFE TIME.PAUL STATES THEY WERE WERE BEING PERSECUTED BY WHO?THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. ONLY JEWS MEET IN SYNAGOGUE REV 2:9 AND 3:9 PAUL SAID FOR YE BRETHREN BECAME FOLLOWERS OF THE CHURCHES OF GOD WHICH ARE AT JUDAEA ARE IN CHRIST JESUS FOR YE ALSO HAVE SUFFERED LIKE THINGS OF YOUR OWN COUNTRYMEN AKA REV 2:9 THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN EVEN THEY OF THE JEWS. WHO BOTH KILLED THE LORD JESUS AND THEIR OWN PROPHETS AND AKA GREAT TRIBULAION PERSECUTED US.THEY REV 1:7 WOULD LOOK ON THE ONE WHOM THEY PIERCED AT HIS RETURN TO PUNISH JERULSALEM IN AD 70

Russ: Is there any evidence from history or early church fathers that this happened in 70AD?

Frankly I am appalled at this doctrine. You keep on insisting that the events of Matthew 24 were fulfilled in 70AD BUT you cannot verify that ANY of those events literally occurred other than the destruction of the Temple.

2 comments:

SadeRa盈君iford0412 said...

Conversation makes one what he is.........................................

Anders Branderud said...

(le-havdil), A analysis (found here: www.netzarim.co.il (that is the only legitimate Netzarim)) of all extant source documents and archaeology using a rational and logical methodology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah) from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical.

Judaism and Christianity have always been two antithetical religions, and thus the term Jewish Christianity is an oxymoron.

The mitzwot (directives or military-style orders) in Torah (claimed in Tan’’kh (the Jewish Bible) to be the instructions of the Creator), the core of the Judaism, are an indivisible whole. Rejecting any one constitutes rejecting of the whole… and the Church rejected many mitzwot, for example rejecting to observe the Shabat on the seventh day in the Jewish week. Examples are endless. Devarim (“Deuteronomy”) 13.1-6 explicitly precludes the Christian “NT”. Devarim 13:1-6 forbids the addition of mitzwot and subtraction of mitzwot from Torah.

Ribi Yehoshuas talmidim Netzarim still observes Torah non-selectively to their utmost today and the research in the previous mentioned Netzarim-website implies that becoming one of Ribi Yehoshuas Netzarim-followers is the only way to follow him.